Snowskating Archives

Because I’ve taken so long to update…

Who knows maybe this will start me updating again.

The following testimonial is from Daniel, an older gentleman who still enjoys pushing his limits. He wrote this very nice note to me about riding his snowskate. It was one of the very early completes that I sold so to hear that he is still riding it makes me feel great!!

Thanks again Daniel,

I started skiing when I was 8 years old. (back in1961) on a rope tow. As a teenager I practiced with the Olymipic Ski Teem. As an adult I skied, not as often as I’d like, but when I could.  When I took a job in Washington state I thought I’d learn to snow board instead of ski because I most often ski with my wife who althought an expert is causch and goes slower.  So I was always waiting for her. I nearly beat myself silly always falling either on my butt or knees. The first time I taped pillows on my butt.  I had a hard time standing up after putting on bindings and once spent a half hour at the top of the slope before I got going just trying to stand. Then I saw a young girl, about 22, and she just slid off the lift, stopped, set the board and steped on. Off she went. I knew I had to have one of thoses. So I chasted her down and asked her what it was. I then spent the next month reasearching dual-deck snow skates. Finily I found ChillerDecks. That was back in 2009-2010.

 I still enjoy my 135 cm dual deck snow skate purchased from youall back in the early wenter of 2010. Now over 6 years later I take it wherever I go in the wenter when I might be able to ski (skate). [What do I call it?]
 I am now almost 63 and find the ride very enjoyable and sometimes taxing on steep slopes. I mostly ski (skate) on groomed slopes and light power up to about 4 inches.  More than 4 inches and it bogs down. I’ve used it in Michigan, Ohio (where home is), Pinsilvania,  Washington, Arazona, Maine, Iowa (across the bridge from Omaha, Na),  Minnisoda, Massachautts and South Korea, where I am working now.  I was here last wenter and if the job continues will be on the slopes hear again. I generally get to ski (ride) 10 to 20 times a wenter. Sometimes more sometimes less, when I’m close to a ski area that allows snowskates.
 Now for some stistics:
 Board is custom made by ChillerDecks with a Helicopter on the bottom.
 It’s less than 5′ long. Its’ numbered, I think 135 or 139??
 wider in front than rear
 I added studs in the board when I first got it because I thought I’d need more tracsion. 4 (2 each side on the front) and 8 (4 each side rear)
 my home is Ohio.[ I grew up in Maine]
 my Height is ~ 5′ 8″
 my Weight is ~ 165# [not as much muscle as I once had]
 I am Right handed
 I ride Regular Foot (left foot forward) not Goofey Foot, but I can switch when I prastice.
 I stand with both feet facing right and not left foot foot more straight.
 I don’t do jumps or tricks, but I can do 360s when I prastice.
 I ride chair lifts and get off by setting the board down infrount of me and quickly climbing on for the short slide off the landing.
 The green coiled dog leash is too long and I have each end wrapped back about 10 inches.
 I put a couple of holes in the tip of the deck and ran a nylon roap through them and through a piece of dubing to make a handle.  This helps me cary it and also get off the lifts.
 I find T bars hard, but can ride them if I have a good skier on with me. Their stability lets me stay in the groves up the lift line.
 For those who want more excitment then I heartly recommend switching to a dual deck snow skate by Chiller Decks.  I’ve ridden other brands and ChillerDecks if a far better ride and far better control.


Update to last post

Just a quick update on my last post. Yes you can now watch snowskating on Netflix!! Supervention has a sweet, although short, snowskate segment. Won’t spoil it for you so go watch this video!!

Radical Reels

You have all heard of the Banff mountain film festival I’m sure. Some have probably heard of the Radical Reels off shoot of the Banff film tour. Its like the Banff film festival but without hippos and such, just action sports. Kayaking, skiing, snowboarding, wing suit flying, climbing and biking are the usual topics. Its a popular night in Sandpoint and we usually attend. The night starts with the lights dimming and a montage of clips from all the different movies. Two second video parts streamed together with pumping music to get you stoked. It’s fun to watch and gives you an idea of the nights offering. As I watched the pow shots connected to the mtb jumps, wingsuit clips and waterfall drops there came a moment of clarity. On the screen was a bideck snowskate attached to a snowskater….. Just like that. Someone catching a bit of air, tweaking it a bit. It looked amazing, just one second of snowskating on the big screen. Who was it? What board were they riding? Were we going to see a full snowskate video tonight? It couldn’t be, I would have heard something about it. I mean we all know who we are right? I literally feel like I know every snowskater on the planet or at least have one degree of separation. Had someone told me that there was a short snowskate clip in the intro I definitely would have gone just to see it. Just like I bought many of the Absinthe videos just for the Wolle strapless segments.

So there was a snowskate clip of someone catching air and the video quality looked pretty awesome so who what were how? I watched each video that night waiting for the segment. Would it suck or be goofy? I kinda felt like we wouldn’t see it, just would be impossible for me not to know about it. So when the night ended without any more snowskating shots I was left with a mystery that in the end was pretty simple to solve. The first flick of the night was Supervention. A great movie out of Norway. I searched it on the web, read the rider list and discovered that Terje was one of the riders. Then all the blanks filled in. No wonder the shot, how ever brief, was rad and I’m pretty sure he was on a Ralston. A facebook search of the movie even had a post about Terje launching on a skate.

The nights videos were amazing, the film quality out of reach and the stunts all next level but that short one-second clip, and the mystery it provided was the highlight of the night. Netflix streams Supervention so now my job is to see if there is more then just one second of snowskating in the full uncut version. If not there are still plenty of snowskate videos to enjoy. Especially this new one from Adrian Rassmusen called “Cascade Concrete”. Its a rad little film about real skaters riding every chance they get. Its the closest I’ve seen to representing snowskating in a way that I can relate to. Thanks Adrian!!

Scratching the dirt for blog post content

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I tried to get starfish to publish this picture of Jeff Tulloch in one of the Skate the sawtooths articles but Tim said I was crazy to want a butt shot next to one of Jeremy’s powsurf hammers. Problem was it was one of the few pictures I took that weekend.

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One of my favorite pics. Look where snowskating has taken these guys!

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Pretty sure we would not have gotten the invite to Smith optics backcountry reserve had we been strapped in. That we haven’t gotten an invite back is the question….You take what you get!

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This is what Alan Gerlach wears when he’s hiking the backcountry

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Just let it be white this winter!





Roots Ramblings

Check out the German Swingbo National Team

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I dig the twins in matching garb. Every once in a while I think about the concept of two skis moving independently to create edge control. Then I think about weight and cost and realize that simple is usually better. Its always a balancing act. You can’t forget to remind yourself that you ditched the bindings to simplify. Of course it made it harder in a way. Do you remember why you started snowskating? I wanted something for the backyard. Easy like a skateboard to use. I had no idea in the beginning that people were riding them on slopes. Once I started having fun on it then the “potential” became a driving force. Building up my backyard was hugely entertaining.

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We have a gravel pit down the road. I rode by it on my bike yesterday and was reminded of how fun a zone it was. Six inches of snow or so was good enough for some turns. Since it’s a snow skate you don’t care if the base get trashed!

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But even fun things get boring after a while. Thankfully I discovered backcountry access via the chair lift at Schweitzer.

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Which of course led me to want to explore other backcountry zones with snowmobiles. I got a new sled this summer. Its way over my head and I’m a bit nervouse about the trouble I’m going to get into but excited too.

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It’s a simple sport that will broaden your horizons. Thank you snowskating!


Building skis with my boys

I know every snowskater has gone through at least a couple of situations where friends or strangers have been kinda blown away by riding without bindings. As a builder its even more intense when they learn I made the snowskate. Its fun…sometimes, to share with interested parties the why and how of snowskating. Most of my friends are accustomed to seeing me on a skate so now there really isn’t any more wide eyed looks from them. I bring a new sub into the house and the kids are always nice and say that it looks good but no one is blown away any more. So I was a bit surprised at the reaction I got after making a set of skis with my boys. Let me say that my boys do snowskate but they LOVE to ski. They have a group of ski buddies, they watch all the vids and they follow the pros. They love to ski! So when I started on this ski project the difference began with the kids being waaaay more interested in the shop process. Always asking if we could go out and work on the skis. Then all their buddies got excited then the parents of the buddies got excited. People were asking me crazy questions like did I drip all the ptex onto the core to make the base, or how did I bend the wood. How much did it cost, how long? Were did I learn to do this? Where did I get the material? And these are from people who have been watching me snowskate for years and know I make all the parts on the skates??

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Well I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, I do live in a ski town. But that’s ok cause I have an ulterior motive for building skis for my boys and that’s to try and make a super fast sub for snowskating. Maybe its because I’m a bit worried about our el nino winter prediction and how it often leaves us with few pow days. My guess is it falls into the summer wacky idea category. Way back in the early days of bidecks, a company from england named Barefoot tried to start a revolution with skate decks mounted to full size skis. They looked a bit wierd and disappeared soon after buying a full page add in starfish. But there is no reason a long narrow sub with the right dimensions couldn’t instill confidence when going really fast. It might need a high truck mount and I’m kinda in the dark as to radius but hey that’s the fun part when building a product so few people understand.

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Climbing up them hills

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It’s a known fact that you got to go up if you want to ride down. If the snow at the resort isn’t to your liking then trekking out of bounds is your best option. This can be as simple as grabbing your skate and plodding up hill, as E2 does in the picture above, its cheap, easy and a good workout. If there is more then one of ya, you can take turns putting in the boot track. The great thing is, on the next lap the boot will be solid and the climbing will be easy. The hard part though, if its deep it can take a lot of energy. You’ll most likely be soaked in sweat when you reach the top and not so ready for lap number two. Luckily there are a few tools available to make the up hill trek easier. Starting from the left MTN Approach skis, Atlas snowshoes, and Verts.

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The cheapest option are Verts. These are the small plastic snowshoes on the right. They are light, easy to put on and kick ass in steep terrain. At around 110.00 shipped they are a great option for starting out. They only weigh 2 lbs and can easily fit into a pack making transitions even faster.  It really just feels like your boot packing without sinking in so deep.

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As you can see in the boot pack picture above, you do sink a bit but since your foot is at the front of the verts, its easy to step forward without dragging snow. As with boot packing the second lap will be a breeze and it will be fast as your path tends to go straight up. We usually drop from above then put the first boot pack in our track. This cuts down a bit on how much snow you have to walk through but is only an option if you get to start from the top.

Verts don’t perform as well on long flat sections. Your toe tends to dive since your strapped to the front of the shoe. On icy terrain they do ok but its more of a work out to get the toe to dig into the dense snow pack. If long flat sections are in the mix then traditional snow shoes are the way to go. You’ll want to make sure they have heal lifts. These are wire bails that flip up and support your heal when hiking steep terrain. You flip them down for the flats. A good set of snowshoes with heal climbers will run 200-250.00.  They are a bit more weight, at around 4 lbs a pair. As with boot packing and verts, the second lap will be easy and working with a crew will make breaking trail a snap.

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If you’re hiking the back country with alpine touring or telemarkers then snow shoes and verts won’t work quite as well. You can do it but snowshoeing on a skin track will usually get you some negative vibes from your touring partners. It tends to wear out the skin track and make it difficult for the skiers to climb. They main reason I don’t like it though is that skin tracks tend to wander across the hill. Side hilling on snow shoes sucks. It wears out your knees and ankles and isn’t very efficient. There is an option though, MTN Approach skis. These are foldable skis that fit into your pack. They are heavy weighing in at 8 lbs, there expensive costing around 800.00 and the hinge mechanism sometimes breaks. All that being said I really like them.

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They haul ass over flat terrain. They are long enough with a wide waist that you don’t sink in but their short length makes kick turns on switchbacks a breeze. They transition really fast. They stow in your pack close to your back so it doesn’t throw off your weight when riding down hill. Best of all, no stink eye from the skin trackers. They just function really well. They are currently coming out with a much beefier hinge so the snapping hinges should be a thing of the past. You usually carry an extra hinge and surprisingly you can swap out a broken one faster then a split boarder can get their stuff back together. If your touring with skinners it’s the way to go.


161 powskate day

Everything you’ve always wanted to know about the chiller 161. I believe that there isn’t a single powder skate that can do it all. We’ve chosen to ride without bindings and thus give up the one board quiver. For dedicated snowskaters who never strap in this is just a fact of life. Being able to swap between subs to maximize control and float is the key to having fun, at least where we live. The 161 is designed for deep conditions but not be a train wreck to control on groomers. I pressed the first 161 in the fall of 2012. I rode it a few days and then gave it to Cole. To me it seemed like too much work to control when you were out of the pow. I then pressed myself a slightly narrower one, almost matching the chiller 145 in waist width. This board, I felt, would not be so hard to control on hardpack but still have the length for deep days. I’ve ridden my narrow 161 for the last few seasons and it has been a great board. But on the few occasions I have traded with Cole or Eric for a lap its hard not to want that extra float, which translates to speed and control. Waist width seems to be a more influential dimension then board length when it comes to float. But waist width also controls leverage.The wider the waist the lower the leverage. Board length also helps with float and doesn’t change leverage as much. But adding four inches of length won’t have as much effect on float as adding 1/2-in. to the waist.

On Monday, we awoke to 10 inches of new snow over a soft snowpack. I went to the shop and grabbed the last 161 on the rack. It was time to deal with this sub and figure out how to control it. I’ve been relying on Cole and Eric’s opinion of this board, (which they love), when describing it to people interested in buying one but nothing is as good as experiencing it for yourself. The theory is, when it dumps and you grab the 161 then you most likely won’t be dealing with hard pack. But this is just a theory and we have all had days that started great but then got more difficult as conditions changed or runs were tracked up. Monday was great and the sub was easy to control on and off the groomed runs. I didn’t run into hard to control conditions unless I got down really low in elevation and hit warm snow. I have to move my feet around when transitioning from pow to hardpack to maximize leverage but once you find the sweet spot your good to go. It really is a temperature thing. On Wednesday we rode all day all over the mountain from windswept ridges to tight trees and the 161 was easy to control all because the temps stayed cool. Every day is different in the mountains. You can’t take for granted that a run you slayed one day, will be just as easy to dominate the next. Sometimes you have the right board, and sometimes you don’t. Flexibility is key to having fun.

Winter is here!

Let’s start with the flipper update. We got a pretty good dump of pow the middle of November. We took up the flipper, 145 reverse side cut and a grassroots powder slut. It was up to 13 inches deep in some areas and we hiked up and rode a fairly steep zone at Schweitzer. I rode the flipper in the loose mode and had a blast! It was really controllable while having tons of float at the same time. It didn’t ride as fast as the 145 reverse or powder slut but you didn’t really care. It felt like you were floating a small skate. It was fun! The next week we hiked again but this time under less then optimal conditions as there was a pretty good crust developed part way down the run. The first 10 turns or so were great and then it got tricky. The flipper rode pretty good considering how crappy it was. There was a groomed section below the powder turns that seemed like it would a good test spot for seeing how controllable the board would be on hard pack. It was steep but still an intermediate run. My thinking was that if I could keep it slashing turns I would keep my speed in check. The problem came when the pitch of the run increased to the point that the outer edge engaged and forced the nose of the board down hill which increased my speed. This was what you would call “uncontrollable.” That feeling that you are doomed. We have all felt it, its a part of snowskating but usually there is hope you can regain control. On the flipper there was no hope of gaining control with the only option to jump ship. The only way to proceed was to walk downhill, which I hate doing. What I take away is that this current configuration on groomers is pretty much limited to very slight downhill section. Mellow cat track. I’m going to take it out a bit more when the snow softens and see if I can get a better feeling for its groomer limitations. I’m just so surprised how much fun it was to ride in powder without being locked down. I didn’t expect that at all.

Let me back up a minute and talk about these prototype subs. Bidecks have always been controllable on groomers. I don’t think there is even a sub commercially available that can’t be carved on hardpack. That is how bideck’s define themselves. They may not be as good at doing tricks like singles and surfs but they are very controllable in all conditions as long as you choose the right sub. Singles and surfs can’t make that claim and its at the basis of what separates the groups.  But, If we remove the requirement that a sub must be controllable on hard pack it opens up a ton of shape options. The 162 and 162r differ very slightly but the ride implications of pushing out the waist beyond the point of groomer control adds a bunch of float while still maintaining tons of leverage in all but hardpack.

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That means if the snow is only a few inches deep you won’t feel the control penalty that you would on a surf. Small increases in width yield a very noticeable float increase. There is the point from just beyond what is groomer controllable on a bideck to the point that its too narrow for a powskate that is wide open for exploration. That’s where these prototypes are coming from.

To increase float you can add length or add width. This 135 powskate does the latter.

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I’ve been out on it three times now. The conditions haven’t been very deep, with wind blown crusty sections and drum tight packed powder. I’ve eaten it a few times when my leverage evaporated but I’m getting the hang of it. Its been fun but at the same time, I’ve been a bit on edge not knowing if the conditions were going to change suddenly and dump me on my head. Yesterday I had the best run after we found a good stash of pow but was limited to just the one shot. It does pretty good on shallow conditions and the top deck definitely increases leverage. In this scenario I’m riding the chair with my inbounds board and carrying the powskate sub attached to my pack. So far its been easy to do and the lifties haven’t said anything. Once we go through the out of bounds gate I switch subs and stash the inbounds sub or carry it on my pack. Its an extra step for sure and not sure how much longer I will have patience for it but it’s okay for now.

I have Xtreme spikes!! I am so happy to be able to offer spikes. It is a bit tougher to readjust your foot placement sometimes but the grip is so good and its really easy to clean of the snow. Still have foam available. Nice to have options. Thanks to Deanna at GripAll!!

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New T’s. Boneflake and “try dying” shirts.

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Thanks to Jamie and Eric for engraving the truck channels. The new laser cutter in Jamie’s shop is rad and the trucks have never looked so good. Sorry to those whose parts when out before this. It was a stroke of good luck that I didn’t know was coming.

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Flipper update

We took the flipper board up for a test ride yesterday. Mellow slope, 4 inches of new over breakable crust and temps in the low 30’s. This is by no means a definitive test but its a start. The original goal was to get powsurf float and have control on easy groomers. The first prototype kinda performed but wasn’t convincing enough for me to care about riding it more then a few times. This summer I built the new improved flipper. The idea is to use heal climbers to lock out the lower sub into powsurf mode. Flipping the heal climbers up would put it into groomer mode. We wanted to ride the chair up, go out of bounds, ride the sub as a powsurf, come back in bounds, unlock the heal climbers and ride the cat track back to the bottom. After building the sub this summer a new question arose though, how would it perform off piste while still in groomer mode? Yesterday we got a glimpse of what that might be like. Cole’s short ride was the only time the flipper was in powsurf mode the rest is riding it unlocked. We built a very small kicker just to see what it would look like in the air and how it would land compared to the pillow dropper, which is the same size but none flipping. Waring this footage is slo mo of the sub. Its not exactly exciting and its hard to actually see how the board looks any different but its an update.